Verizon CFO Matt Ellis in December 2017 said, “it just starts to be significant to our financials in the next 2 to 3 years.” That would be late 2019 or 2020. Since then, Verizon has said everything is going better than expected. Verizon is building a true gigabit millimeter wave network.

After that comment, the industry accepted calling almost everything "5G," including 5G Low in 3.5 GHz spectrum. That's 70%-90% slower, really 4G with a software tweak (New Radio.) Especially in China, 3.5 GHz networks may be built early in 2018. 

In July 2018,  Skyworks CEO Kris Sennesael didn't see much demand for either type of 5G until late in 2019. Skyworks supplies frontend radio frequency parts to almost all the phone makers and has a clear view of the market. 

What we’re seeing today is a lot of design activity on both the infrastructure side and also on really kind of a heartbeat of the connectivity within smartphones. We think, again, you can get different answers, but we see revenue really being posted probably by 2020, maybe late '19. But 2020 is where I think kind of we translate around real revenue. (Seeking Alpha)

Getting the first 5G phones for Xmas, as Ted Rappaport predicts, is very exciting. But it probably will be Xmas 2019 or a little later for enough units to ship to affect any bottom line. It will take at least another year after that until they are in mid-priced phones.

Thank you, Simon F, for pointing me to the quote.

Article rewritten 8/5 for clarity and to clarify Ellis was talking about 5G High mmWave.

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CFO John Stephens says AT&T is going to cut capex soon.

Bharti in India has lost 45M customers who did not want to pay the minimum US#2/month. It's shutting down 3G to free some spectrum for 4G. It is cutting capex, dangerous when the 12 gigabytes/month of use continues to rise.

Huawei in 6 days sold 300,000 5G Mate 20s. Delivery begins on 8/16. 

China has over 50,000 upgraded base stations and may have more than 200,000 by yearend 2019. The growth is astonishing and about to accelerate. China will have more 5G than North America and Europe combined for several years.

5G phone prices are down to $580 in China from Oppo. Headed under $300 in 2020 and driving demand.

No one believed me when I wrote in May, 90% of Huawei U.S. purchases can be rapidly replaced and that Huawei would survive and thrive. Financial results are in, with 23% growth and increased phone sales. It is spending $17B on research in 2019, up > 10%. 

5G phones spotted from Sharp and Sony

NTT DOCOMO will begin "pre-commercial service Sept 20 with over 100 live bases. Officially, the commercial start is 2020.

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Welcome  1,800,000 Koreans bought 5G in the first four months. The demand is there, and most of the technology works. Meanwhile, the hype is unreal. Time for reporting closer to the truth.

The estimates you hear about 5G costs are wildly exaggerated. Verizon is building the most advanced wireless network while reducing capex. Deutsche Telekom and Orange/France Telecom also confirm they won't raise capex.

Massive MIMO in either 4G or "5G" can increase capacity 3X to 7X, including putting 2.3 GHz to 4.2 GHz to use. Carrier Aggregation, 256 QAM, and other tools double and triple that. Verizon sees cost/bit dropping 40% per year.

Cisco & others see traffic growth slowing to 30%/year or less.  I infer overcapacity almost everywhere.  

Believe it or not, 80+% of 5G (mid-band) for several years will be slower than good 4G, which is more developed.